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	<title>Comments on: Indecision Over Michigan</title>
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	<description>A look at the reasons why young adults are or are not staying in Michigan</description>
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		<title>By: chanel</title>
		<link>http://generationymichigan.org/2009/12/02/indecision-over-michigan/comment-page-1/#comment-432</link>
		<dc:creator>chanel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 06:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: air jordan 11</title>
		<link>http://generationymichigan.org/2009/12/02/indecision-over-michigan/comment-page-1/#comment-423</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 06:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://generationymichigan.org/2009/12/02/indecision-over-michigan/comment-page-1/#comment-394</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 21:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HollyDC: You do illustrate my point, the reason you moved back is because you wanted to buy a house, go to work and pretty much just raise your kids. The overall point that I was making that Michigan is not a dynamic place, attitudes and the people (although really nice and genuine people) are not dynamic forward thinkers looking to grow and make drastic changes to achieve progress. I think that is a big part of why young people don&#039;t want to live here and prefer to live in areas like New York, Chicago and San Francisco. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I am sorry to hear about your situation, the market is really bad here, economy is terrible and I really don&#039;t see things picking up for quiet some time. I hope it does though.It is hard to get ahead in an area where people stick to the status quo through thick and thin. Wake up Michigan!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HollyDC: You do illustrate my point, the reason you moved back is because you wanted to buy a house, go to work and pretty much just raise your kids. The overall point that I was making that Michigan is not a dynamic place, attitudes and the people (although really nice and genuine people) are not dynamic forward thinkers looking to grow and make drastic changes to achieve progress. I think that is a big part of why young people don&#39;t want to live here and prefer to live in areas like New York, Chicago and San Francisco. </p>
<p>I am sorry to hear about your situation, the market is really bad here, economy is terrible and I really don&#39;t see things picking up for quiet some time. I hope it does though.It is hard to get ahead in an area where people stick to the status quo through thick and thin. Wake up Michigan!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: hollydc</title>
		<link>http://generationymichigan.org/2009/12/02/indecision-over-michigan/comment-page-1/#comment-393</link>
		<dc:creator>hollydc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 10:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You said: &quot;For people that want to do nothing but buy a house, start a family and go to their medial jobs for the next 35 years with the hope of retiring at the end of that time then this is a great place for them.&quot; The thing is, this isn&#039;t even true. My husband and I got married in our early 20s and moved away to Dallas for nearly a decade. It was pretty good and I will never regret having done it. We had kids 8 years later and decided it would be nice to move back near our families in Michigan - we were okay with the idea of buying a house, raising some kids and going to our menial jobs. And instead we bought a house and my husband lost his job less than a year later, now making about 40% less than he was then. There are just no jobs around here, even if - especially if - you have a college degree. We&#039;d love to move out of state again to find work, but our house is now worth almost 20% less than we owe on it. We are absolutely screwed all because we wanted to come back here. We&#039;ll probably still get out someday but we&#039;ll damage our credit even worse in ditching the house. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Michigan is a beautiful state and once you&#039;ve lived somewhere else, you especially come to realize that there is a unique character to the people here. But the only way you can really make it here is if you&#039;re over 45 in a good industry (like chemical engineering or medical) or if you resign yourself to working crappy part-time fast food jobs and living in a $400 apartment forever. Trying to get ahead is nearly impossible for anyone younger, no matter how much you want to be here. Michigan&#039;s structural problems run so deep I don&#039;t see what we&#039;ll fix it. It&#039;s been this way since I was a kid in the 80s and if anything, it&#039;s just getting worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You said: &#8220;For people that want to do nothing but buy a house, start a family and go to their medial jobs for the next 35 years with the hope of retiring at the end of that time then this is a great place for them.&#8221; The thing is, this isn&#39;t even true. My husband and I got married in our early 20s and moved away to Dallas for nearly a decade. It was pretty good and I will never regret having done it. We had kids 8 years later and decided it would be nice to move back near our families in Michigan &#8211; we were okay with the idea of buying a house, raising some kids and going to our menial jobs. And instead we bought a house and my husband lost his job less than a year later, now making about 40% less than he was then. There are just no jobs around here, even if &#8211; especially if &#8211; you have a college degree. We&#39;d love to move out of state again to find work, but our house is now worth almost 20% less than we owe on it. We are absolutely screwed all because we wanted to come back here. We&#39;ll probably still get out someday but we&#39;ll damage our credit even worse in ditching the house. </p>
<p>Michigan is a beautiful state and once you&#39;ve lived somewhere else, you especially come to realize that there is a unique character to the people here. But the only way you can really make it here is if you&#39;re over 45 in a good industry (like chemical engineering or medical) or if you resign yourself to working crappy part-time fast food jobs and living in a $400 apartment forever. Trying to get ahead is nearly impossible for anyone younger, no matter how much you want to be here. Michigan&#39;s structural problems run so deep I don&#39;t see what we&#39;ll fix it. It&#39;s been this way since I was a kid in the 80s and if anything, it&#39;s just getting worse.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://generationymichigan.org/2009/12/02/indecision-over-michigan/comment-page-1/#comment-320</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 00:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick: I know what you mean about the inner drives of people, I think that if you are not doing something for a purpose then you are wasting your time. Moving just for the sake of moving because you think someplace new will complete your life is crazy. To an extent you are where you are, as you stated and I completely agree with you!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;About the long term improvement of Michigan, I am VERY skeptical about that. The reason is, when you look at the people who live here and the kinds of changes that Michigan makes, it is a very slow process even for things people agree on. Smoking for example: when Michigan goes smokeless we will be 38th state to do it, how progressive! When people talk about the opportunity to transform Detroit I think they are insane, I tell them to take a drive down Michigan Avenue from Dowtown Detroit and look at the buildings and the decay and then re-think how realistic idea it is to turn the city around. It is easy to sit in an office and come up with plans but when you are walking around Highland Park how can you now feel overwhelmed and that the idea is hopeless. The way I see it, Michigan got to where it is now over the course of about 40 years, anyone who thinks they can turn this around in ten years in insane. Most people who live here are not active and they are not progressive thinkers. If they were the labor market would have grown with diversification years ago.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I honestly believe that Michigan does not respect and appreciate the people who live there and they do take it&#039;s citizens for granted. I look at taxes like spending money, you work for your money and the state government takes it from your check, if you don&#039;t like how it is spent change it! You are in charge not them, you are not the powerless, they are the powerless, without your money they would not exist. The state should realize that, if they don&#039;t they soon will if people quit putting up with their garbage and take action! Bottom line, no place is a perfect place to live, there are problems everywhere but I honestly believe that living in Michigan is more stressful and has more obstacles to life than other cities in America. I like walkable cities, easy public transportation, better weather, more active and health conscience people around me and healthier food options more easily available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick: I know what you mean about the inner drives of people, I think that if you are not doing something for a purpose then you are wasting your time. Moving just for the sake of moving because you think someplace new will complete your life is crazy. To an extent you are where you are, as you stated and I completely agree with you!</p>
<p>About the long term improvement of Michigan, I am VERY skeptical about that. The reason is, when you look at the people who live here and the kinds of changes that Michigan makes, it is a very slow process even for things people agree on. Smoking for example: when Michigan goes smokeless we will be 38th state to do it, how progressive! When people talk about the opportunity to transform Detroit I think they are insane, I tell them to take a drive down Michigan Avenue from Dowtown Detroit and look at the buildings and the decay and then re-think how realistic idea it is to turn the city around. It is easy to sit in an office and come up with plans but when you are walking around Highland Park how can you now feel overwhelmed and that the idea is hopeless. The way I see it, Michigan got to where it is now over the course of about 40 years, anyone who thinks they can turn this around in ten years in insane. Most people who live here are not active and they are not progressive thinkers. If they were the labor market would have grown with diversification years ago.</p>
<p>I honestly believe that Michigan does not respect and appreciate the people who live there and they do take it&#39;s citizens for granted. I look at taxes like spending money, you work for your money and the state government takes it from your check, if you don&#39;t like how it is spent change it! You are in charge not them, you are not the powerless, they are the powerless, without your money they would not exist. The state should realize that, if they don&#39;t they soon will if people quit putting up with their garbage and take action! Bottom line, no place is a perfect place to live, there are problems everywhere but I honestly believe that living in Michigan is more stressful and has more obstacles to life than other cities in America. I like walkable cities, easy public transportation, better weather, more active and health conscience people around me and healthier food options more easily available.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://generationymichigan.org/2009/12/02/indecision-over-michigan/comment-page-1/#comment-240</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 19:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick: I know what you mean about the inner drives of people, I think that if you are not doing something for a purpose then you are wasting your time. Moving just for the sake of moving because you think someplace new will complete your life is crazy. To an extent you are where you are, as you stated and I completely agree with you!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;About the long term improvement of Michigan, I am VERY skeptical about that. The reason is, when you look at the people who live here and the kinds of changes that Michigan makes, it is a very slow process even for things people agree on. Smoking for example: when Michigan goes smokeless we will be 38th state to do it, how progressive! When people talk about the opportunity to transform Detroit I think they are insane, I tell them to take a drive down Michigan Avenue from Dowtown Detroit and look at the buildings and the decay and then re-think how realistic idea it is to turn the city around. It is easy to sit in an office and come up with plans but when you are walking around Highland Park how can you now feel overwhelmed and that the idea is hopeless. The way I see it, Michigan got to where it is now over the course of about 40 years, anyone who thinks they can turn this around in ten years in insane. Most people who live here are not active and they are not progressive thinkers. If they were the labor market would have grown with diversification years ago.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I honestly believe that Michigan does not respect and appreciate the people who live there and they do take it&#039;s citizens for granted. I look at taxes like spending money, you work for your money and the state government takes it from your check, if you don&#039;t like how it is spent change it! You are in charge not them, you are not the powerless, they are the powerless, without your money they would not exist. The state should realize that, if they don&#039;t they soon will if people quit putting up with their garbage and take action! Bottom line, no place is a perfect place to live, there are problems everywhere but I honestly believe that living in Michigan is more stressful and has more obstacles to life than other cities in America. I like walkable cities, easy public transportation, better weather, more active and health conscience people around me and healthier food options more easily available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick: I know what you mean about the inner drives of people, I think that if you are not doing something for a purpose then you are wasting your time. Moving just for the sake of moving because you think someplace new will complete your life is crazy. To an extent you are where you are, as you stated and I completely agree with you!</p>
<p>About the long term improvement of Michigan, I am VERY skeptical about that. The reason is, when you look at the people who live here and the kinds of changes that Michigan makes, it is a very slow process even for things people agree on. Smoking for example: when Michigan goes smokeless we will be 38th state to do it, how progressive! When people talk about the opportunity to transform Detroit I think they are insane, I tell them to take a drive down Michigan Avenue from Dowtown Detroit and look at the buildings and the decay and then re-think how realistic idea it is to turn the city around. It is easy to sit in an office and come up with plans but when you are walking around Highland Park how can you now feel overwhelmed and that the idea is hopeless. The way I see it, Michigan got to where it is now over the course of about 40 years, anyone who thinks they can turn this around in ten years in insane. Most people who live here are not active and they are not progressive thinkers. If they were the labor market would have grown with diversification years ago.</p>
<p>I honestly believe that Michigan does not respect and appreciate the people who live there and they do take it&#39;s citizens for granted. I look at taxes like spending money, you work for your money and the state government takes it from your check, if you don&#39;t like how it is spent change it! You are in charge not them, you are not the powerless, they are the powerless, without your money they would not exist. The state should realize that, if they don&#39;t they soon will if people quit putting up with their garbage and take action! Bottom line, no place is a perfect place to live, there are problems everywhere but I honestly believe that living in Michigan is more stressful and has more obstacles to life than other cities in America. I like walkable cities, easy public transportation, better weather, more active and health conscience people around me and healthier food options more easily available.</p>
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		<title>By: Time for Something Different</title>
		<link>http://generationymichigan.org/2009/12/02/indecision-over-michigan/comment-page-1/#comment-232</link>
		<dc:creator>Time for Something Different</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 03:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] first version of the essay was published on Supraterranean and Generation Y Michigan (as a guest essay) on December 2. I also submitted the essay as a creative non-fiction manuscript [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ndmeador</title>
		<link>http://generationymichigan.org/2009/12/02/indecision-over-michigan/comment-page-1/#comment-228</link>
		<dc:creator>ndmeador</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See, it&#039;s hard not to contradict yourself on this topic! (Though some would argue that any search for absolute truth ends in contradictions.) I love Michigan, but it&#039;s not enough to profess it -- I have to point out the negative aspects so that we can improve them. At the same time, Detroit is so much more than just a &quot;dump&quot; -- and there has never been a time when I didn&#039;t get a warm feeling upon visiting the injured city. I wasn&#039;t trying to bash places like San Francisco; it has always been one of my favorite American cities. I&#039;m just very interested in the underlying psychological factors in all these topics. I&#039;m convinced that most people are unaware of their inner drives, or the true reasons why they do the things they do. With that in mind, my essay was first and foremost an individual exploration -- an attempt to understand myself better.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;d like to think that it&#039;s justifiable to forego a more positive experience (like you have had in San Francisco), if it means that I can contribute to long-term improvement in Michigan. But obviously even with extensive education, activism, and patience -- there&#039;s a chance that Michigan will be the way it is no matter what anyone does. Furthermore, many seem to like how it is. Or maybe it&#039;s just that the collective hibernation mentality prevents anyone from seeing the truth of the situation or doing anything about it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;ll try to be brief in my response, since I&#039;m still recovering from the task of writing this beast, and I&#039;m still letting all these ideas rattle around in my brain. I do like your idea that moving out of Michigan means depriving those in charge of your tax money -- like moving is an act of protest in itself. Part of what I was hoping to express is that I&#039;m not completely satisfied with the life offered by the existing model for a big city, suburb, or small town. None of them are sustainable, they all contradict nature, and they hinder individual freedom. I realize those are statements that each require further essays, since I barely even addressed them above.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I discuss some of these topics in various posts on my Refractor Blog: &lt;a href=&quot;http://supraterranean.com/blog/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://supraterranean.com/blog/&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See, it&#39;s hard not to contradict yourself on this topic! (Though some would argue that any search for absolute truth ends in contradictions.) I love Michigan, but it&#39;s not enough to profess it &#8212; I have to point out the negative aspects so that we can improve them. At the same time, Detroit is so much more than just a &#8220;dump&#8221; &#8212; and there has never been a time when I didn&#39;t get a warm feeling upon visiting the injured city. I wasn&#39;t trying to bash places like San Francisco; it has always been one of my favorite American cities. I&#39;m just very interested in the underlying psychological factors in all these topics. I&#39;m convinced that most people are unaware of their inner drives, or the true reasons why they do the things they do. With that in mind, my essay was first and foremost an individual exploration &#8212; an attempt to understand myself better.</p>
<p>I&#39;d like to think that it&#39;s justifiable to forego a more positive experience (like you have had in San Francisco), if it means that I can contribute to long-term improvement in Michigan. But obviously even with extensive education, activism, and patience &#8212; there&#39;s a chance that Michigan will be the way it is no matter what anyone does. Furthermore, many seem to like how it is. Or maybe it&#39;s just that the collective hibernation mentality prevents anyone from seeing the truth of the situation or doing anything about it.</p>
<p>I&#39;ll try to be brief in my response, since I&#39;m still recovering from the task of writing this beast, and I&#39;m still letting all these ideas rattle around in my brain. I do like your idea that moving out of Michigan means depriving those in charge of your tax money &#8212; like moving is an act of protest in itself. Part of what I was hoping to express is that I&#39;m not completely satisfied with the life offered by the existing model for a big city, suburb, or small town. None of them are sustainable, they all contradict nature, and they hinder individual freedom. I realize those are statements that each require further essays, since I barely even addressed them above.</p>
<p>I discuss some of these topics in various posts on my Refractor Blog: <a href="http://supraterranean.com/blog/" rel="nofollow">http://supraterranean.com/blog/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Melanie_K</title>
		<link>http://generationymichigan.org/2009/12/02/indecision-over-michigan/comment-page-1/#comment-213</link>
		<dc:creator>Melanie_K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 01:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love Michigan, no matter what Michigan is beautiful, affordable, and allot of memories. we need generation y to stay and give us their ideas.the door is open for you, you can go to school and work at the same time. economy is bad every where and it will get better with your help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love Michigan, no matter what Michigan is beautiful, affordable, and allot of memories. we need generation y to stay and give us their ideas.the door is open for you, you can go to school and work at the same time. economy is bad every where and it will get better with your help.</p>
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		<title>By: cjfunone</title>
		<link>http://generationymichigan.org/2009/12/02/indecision-over-michigan/comment-page-1/#comment-211</link>
		<dc:creator>cjfunone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 01:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand the loyality to one&#039;s State, however the bottom line is that you must do what is the best for you and your family. Michigan is a great place to live and raise a family, however you must be able to support them. with the highest rate of unemployment in the country, and being labled as one of the worst places to live, and lets not forget the great city government that the city of Detroit has to offer.&lt;br&gt;It is no supprise that generation Y is leaving the state to find greaner pastures. your first priorty is to be able to make a living and have a safe place to raise your family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand the loyality to one&#39;s State, however the bottom line is that you must do what is the best for you and your family. Michigan is a great place to live and raise a family, however you must be able to support them. with the highest rate of unemployment in the country, and being labled as one of the worst places to live, and lets not forget the great city government that the city of Detroit has to offer.<br />It is no supprise that generation Y is leaving the state to find greaner pastures. your first priorty is to be able to make a living and have a safe place to raise your family.</p>
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